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Why are there not more places converting vettes to RHD

Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:06 am

There seems to me to be a lack of places that actually do the conversions for the late model (C5/6) Corvettes. What is the main reason for this do you think. Sure the first car would be difficult to set up correctly, but after that it should be no dramas. All this talk about high govt fees etc is not true, they just have to have a registered workshop ($2000 p/a, and pay one off fees for each model they wish to convert approx $50 & $115). The govt actually foot the bill for shipping the engineers around Australia to examine the workshops and the cars.

I hear the initial process is tedious and slow, but that is to be expected if one expects to modify cars properly, safely and according to the ADR specs.

Anyone want to do this on the Coast. I have a big workshop in an industrial area.javascript:emoticon(':)')



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Postby australi » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:03 pm

'PERFORMAX' (Formerly 'Corvette Queensland') does LOTS of C6 conversions!

There were others in the country but am unsure of their current status on this.

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Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:28 pm

I am aware of the converters in Australia. There are currently 3 of them.
INTERNATIONAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS PTY LTD --MOBILITY ENGINEERING HORNSBY NSW
SCORDO TRANSPORT SERVICES PTY LTD --MOTOR CARS INTERNATIONAL BRAYBROOK VIC
PERFORMAX INTERNATIONAL PTY LTD --PERFORMAX INTERNATIONAL PTY LTD GYMPIE QLD

They all seem to charge exactly the same prices for their C5 or C6 conversions and the fees are very high.
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Postby ShayneTilley » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:39 pm

I was chatting to a converter in Vic , They've started doing C6's and already have half a dozen on back order so they can pretty charge whatever they want!....

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Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:13 pm

My point exactly. There seems to be a large demand for these cars. I cannot understand why more people do not get into the game.
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Postby ShayneTilley » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:40 pm

I think ... and I could be wrong... that there is now a lot of BS to be done to be DOTARS compliant - particularly with current models... I think though you'll find that they're is not as great a demand for conversions for corvettes as if there was then more people would be doing it....

For example I know if 4 specialist converters in Vic - one for each side of Melbourne and a handful of places to get some spare parts... If I need to book in to any of these places I never have to wait longer than a week. Which would suggest that supply meets demand...

Compare that to mustangs converters -- I can name 15 off the top of my head...

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Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:55 pm

As far as I know there is only one C5/6 converter in Victoria and his licence is fairly new. Any other converters in VIctoria can only do pre 1989 cars, which anyone can do themselves if they are capable or wish to. No licence is required and as you say, supply meets demand in these instances.
As far as I am aware the C5/6 converters all have long waiting times, which to me suggests that demand outweighs supply.
As for the DOTARS issue, if you talk to the dotars people they will tell you that the problems they have is the failure of the workshops to comply with the regulations and doing below standard work (I am not referring to the corvette workshops here, but in general). Many converters have had their licences revoked. DOTARS hold spot checks on all workshops and cars because the standards are not maintained by the workshops after the licences are granted. One of the main problems they see is that the importers/converters and sales people are one and the same and this leads to a degredation of compliance with the regs.
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Postby ShayneTilley » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:40 pm

I wasn't having a crack at DOTARS -- I've actually had great success with them on a couple of issues I've had -- But I still don't think that there is over demand for these models... The company to mentioned can punch out these cars in a couple of weeks and say they've for six on order -- thats a 12 week wait -- I'm pretty happy to wait 12 weeks for a 100K purchase... It was more when Corvette Queensland (or whatever their called now) -- were reportedly charging 250K as they were the only company in Australia that could do it for a while... now it was in a magazine .. and we all know how truthful they are... but reading it it really pissed me off...

Any Corvette Queensland guys on the forum - feel free to chime in and correct me if I'm wrong...

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Postby Winfield RED » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:51 pm

I think you should talk to Panther about the cost involved and why more people are not doing it, he can speak from personal experience.

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Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:43 pm

I have spoken to Panther about the cost involved. He has explained the cost of the actual steering parts but the rest is just the time factor.
Corvette Qld (Performax) do not charge $250K for a conversion, that price or close to it (I think it was around $230K) was for purchasing a brand new ZO6 already converted. The price for converting a C6 by Performax is between $49K and $50K.
Of the conversion companies I have spoken to, it takes them 12-15 weeks to actually do the job, so I imagine it is closer to 15-20 weeks, plus waiting time to get in line.
Getting late model Mustangs converted is nowhere near as expensive and I am sure they are no less complicated.
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Postby Winfield RED » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:15 pm

Late model Rustangs are substantially less complicated. Probably alot more common parts for them too, where as the Corvettes have no common parts with other cars.

I know what the conversions from Performax cost yes.

I dont know the complexities of it all, but there is something youre not getting. I dont think its as cheap to get into as you seem to think it should be. If it was, companies would still be converting later model C4s, but they are not. No one i know of has the ticket to stick a compliance plate on them, and im led to believe the reason no one does is something to do with cost. Im happy to help you convert as many late C4s as you like if youre paying!!

Another factor that is sure to come into play very soon is the probable issue of Corvettes leaving the factory in RHD form, if this happens it wont make sense to go and pay $44,000 to convert a lefty.

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Postby jjl » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:31 pm

Red, maybe we should talk about this more. I have been to the DOTARS people and discussed the costs, factors etc involved.
I imagine the reason no one is doing the C4s is that they cannot charge as much because the cars do not sell for as much.
I love the C4s (well I love em all).
All you need to start is to fill in the documentation, get a car, pay the fees , convert the car, suffer through the inspections and make the modifications as required and eventually get your licence. If you keep the standard of work high and do everything that they require for the car to comply, you will not have any problems with the DOTARS people. This is obvously a simplified description, but in reality it is not that much more difficult and the costs are really negligable.
I would be happy to talk to you about setting this up for the late C4s. This is an area of the market where there is absolutely no one doing it at all.
People have been talking about factory RHD vettes for years. That is not a valid reason to avoid the task.
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Postby Winfield RED » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:09 pm

Hmm, ZR1s would surely bring money over here though, they are still very expensive cars over here, and not very common either!! (not to mension the fact a ZR1 would smoke your 99 C5 like a cheap cigar) If there was someone doing them, id say there would still be some money in later C4s. (Last conversion price i heard for one was about $24,500, ive had my 94 almost all apart on many occations and dont see 24 grand's worth of work in it over the $13,200 for an earlier model from about the same time ago.)

The part of the job im best able to help with is disassembly and reassembly (and there is alot of that to be done), whether that will be of any help to you or not i dont know.

Keep me posted on how you go with it all though :o

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Postby nifty » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:35 pm

i tend to agree....gus and i had a look at gus's 80 getting converted....JUST A NEW DRAG LINK ALONE WAS 1200 BUCKS.

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Postby jjl » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:07 am

Red, I will keep you in mind if I choose to look seriously at this subject. At the moment it is just speculation and investigation. Having someone to do all of the assembly/disassembly would be great.
I will start looking at the C4 market, the later model ones with the curved dash. The weetbix box dash would be easier, but the curved one is much nicer.
When is there another corvette get together in Brissy or the Coast. It would be great to actually meet some of you guys in person and get a look at your cars.
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Postby australi » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:04 am

'jjl'; as stated above, reason for lack of converters would simply boil down to the old supply/demand. As Shayne said; mustangs are far more popular here, hence more companies doing them.

Does HELJOY not do conversions anymore?
Having associated closely with them, their conversions have always been top class.

Chatting to PERFORMAX a while back; I was told it takes them roughly ONE WEEK (with a full-time crew of about 10 blokes) to fully convert a brand new C6 to RHD, turn key readiness.

‘Winnie'; I seriously doubt (personally) that the factory will ever bring out C6 in RHD configuration; simply not enough demand (other than the market in South Africa which is quite huge for them). They sell to the UK in LHD form as its ok to drive them that way over there.

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Postby Winfield RED » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:50 pm

australi wrote:'jjl'; as stated above, reason for lack of converters would simply boil down to the old supply/demand. As Shayne said; mustangs are far more popular here, hence more companies doing them.

Does HELJOY not do conversions anymore?
Having associated closely with them, their conversions have always been top class.

Chatting to PERFORMAX a while back; I was told it takes them roughly ONE WEEK (with a full-time crew of about 10 blokes) to fully convert a brand new C6 to RHD, turn key readiness.

‘Winnie'; I seriously doubt (personally) that the factory will ever bring out C6 in RHD configuration; simply not enough demand (other than the market in South Africa which is quite huge for them). They sell to the UK in LHD form as its ok to drive them that way over there.

You cant be serious.... Who told you that garbage about Rustangs being more popular here? That is an outrageous statement to make, i have seen about 3 different Rustangs on the roads between here and Bris in the past 5 years. I see that many Corvettes in 3 months. (there is a newish Rustang near me, the bloke has been trying to sell it for months now and no one wants it, there are now 2 other Corvettes in the area, and a Chevy Camaro)

Performax told me a simular figure, however the last figure i heard is closer to 5 weeks. You dont turn a key in a C6, they have push-button start. :-x

Who said anything about an RHD C6? C7 will be out by 2010 so the rumours go, and they also say RHD for the C7. Its only been a recent last couple years thing that requires South Africa to be RHD, there is also companies in the UK converting Corvettes (amonst other cars and trucks) to RHD, so yes, without question, there will now be enough demand for RHD Corvettes throughout the world.

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Postby ShayneTilley » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:50 pm

Winfield RED wrote:You cant be serious.... Who told you that garbage about Rustangs being more popular here? That is an outrageous statement to make, i have seen about 3 different Rustangs on the roads between here and Bris in the past 5 years. I see that many Corvettes in 3 months.


Maybe thats in Brisbane.. But in Melbourne Rustangs are a dime a dozen... I'll at least see one a day here, but I'll admit most of them are older models...

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Postby Winfield RED » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:56 pm

The only ones i ever see up this way are generally speaking quite immaculate, never seen a poor condition Rustang up here yet, which is probably why i dont see many of them. The fact they aint worth a damn doesnt help them cause an XB Falcon hardtop would have it all over them any day of the week in every respect.... :o

What sort of condition are you seeing down there on a daily basis Shayne?

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Postby australi » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:49 pm

..My replies in red:
Winfield RED wrote:You cant be serious.... Who told you that garbage about Rustangs being more popular here? Ah; my EYES! That is an outrageous statement to make Not really, or else I'd have started with; "Two elephants walk into a bar..." , i have seen about 3 different Rustangs on the roads between here and Bris in the past 5 years. You ought to get out more mate! hahaha; I've seen HEAPS of Mustangs - especially at SHOWS and they seem to me to certainly outnumber 'Vettes. I see that many Corvettes in 3 months. (there is a newish Rustang near me, I liked the one we hired in the states, but that was about 5 yrs ago - not so sure about the present version, am not familiar enough with it. the bloke has been trying to sell it for months now and no one wants it, there are now 2 other Corvettes in the area, and a Chevy Camaro)

Performax told me a simular figure, however the last figure i heard is closer to 5 weeks. You dont turn a key in a C6, they have push-button start. :-x Yeah ok smart-ass; I forgot that bit!! Is a term, rather than a technical instruction..
Who said anything about an RHD C6? C7 will be out by 2010 2 years+ yet...All relevant to what one calls "soon" so the rumours go, and they also say RHD for the C7. Its only been a recent last couple years thing that requires South Africa to be RHD, there is also companies in the UK converting Corvettes (amonst other cars and trucks) to RHD, cool so yes, without question, there will now be enough demand for RHD Corvettes throughout the world. EXCELLENT! :o

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Postby Winfield RED » Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:53 pm

Its me who should be replying in red!!! :D

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Postby Thunder Kiss » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:47 pm

I see heaps of Mustangs down here. Maybe 5:1 versus Corvette, if not more.

In fact, I see at least one per day - the one in my garage!
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Winfield RED wrote: The fact they aint worth a damn doesnt help them..

:x- Them's fighting words :x- :-D

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Postby Winfield RED » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:58 pm

:-x Youre obviously after the convertible you cant get in a Falcon eh?

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Postby australi » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:20 am

Winfield RED wrote:Its me who should be replying in red!!! :D


Sorry; I borrowed your patent on red as my trademark blue would've blended in too well with black. :)

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Postby ShayneTilley » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:59 pm

Winfield RED wrote:What sort of condition are you seeing down there on a daily basis Shayne?


Pretty sharp units actually - don't see many bangers - lots of LHD

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Postby jjl » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:56 pm

Just while you girls have a break from quibling, I picked up my 99 today from the import agent in Brissy and drove it down to the Coast. I have a trade plate and will take the car to golf tomorrow before I return the plate. I have no idea how legal it is to drive LHD cars with trade plates and frankly I don't care. The trip down the freeway was a blast, the only thing I do not like is the noise factor (must be getting old). It sounds great to start with but after a while it gets up your nose.
I will drive it down to Sydney when the conversion place is ready for it.

When I picked up my 99 there was a brand new black ZO6 and another blue one as well. I was told that they are going to Performax so keep an eye out for them on the roads soon.
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Postby Winfield RED » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:18 pm

What was noisy about it mate??

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Postby MAXX WRENCH » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:26 pm

YEAH...WHAT NOISE??
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Postby jjl » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:05 pm

The exhaust was noisy. Sounds great to start with but on the freeway the constant hum will drive me nuts eventually. I have not checked out the whole underneath the car yet but the rear pipes look like 3inch stainless. I love the sound but I also love my stereo.
Took my son out for a ride when he came home from school and could not wipe the smile off his face. Even my missus likes it, what a shame it is a manual and she can't drive it. That really upsets me.
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Postby Winfield RED » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:25 pm

Believe it or not i dont have a manual licence either mate, but work is paying for me to get it now cause i need it for work...


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